#6364, b. before 1754, d. Jul 1809
|Last Edited:||22 Jun 2017|
Child of Conrad Menges and Mary Boovy
I have been carrying information about Conrad Menges and his son John Jacob Mingus for many years, based on information provided by other people. This information generally agrees with what I've seen in online trees etc., although I suspect much of it is just copied from other undocumented sources. In attempting to verify this information, conflicts have been found.
The information in question is this:
1. Conrad Menges was born before 1754 (place unknown); married Mary Boovy (date/place unknown). He died Jul 1809.
2. John Jacob Mingus, son of Conrad and Mary, born about 1774 in Saxony, Germany. He married Sarah Angaline Riker. They immigrated in 1792 from Saxony, Germany.
Conflict #1, birth place of John Jacob Mingus: The first conflict I've found came from Ancestry's U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914, entry for Jacob Mingus Sr during the War of 1812. In this enlistment register, he claimed age 40 (on 20 Mar 1814), which matches the "about 1774" birth year that I have. However, he also states he was born in "Berks or Burks Co., Penn.", a direct conflict to the Saxony story. Everything else on this register page suggests that this is the same person as our Jacob, but it's possible there could be another similarly-named person born within a similar timeframe.
Conflict #2, John Jacob Mingus's immigration: The story that he came from Saxony, Germany in 1792 hasn't yet been verified. Technically, this isn't really a conflict per se, but I'm including it here just to point out that I haven't found any immigration record yet. Searching for an immigration record turned up the following, which do NOT appear to be the same person as our John Jacob:
- In Ancestry's U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Inex, 1500s-1900s database, a record is shown for Johann Jacob Menges, arriving 1771 at Philadelphia, Penn. The Ancestry entry doesn't give details about the source document, which can be looked up in a library in the books titled Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s, edited by P. William Filby (c.2012). This Jacob does not appear to be the same as our Jacob, being born much earlier. Assuming he was an adult when he immigrated, this Jacob would have had to have been born at least in 1750s-early 1760s.
- In Ancestry's Pennsylvania, Veterans Burial Cards, 1777-2012, an entry for Johan Jacob Manges, born 1752, died 1826, buried Somerset Co., PA, age 74, veteran of the Revolutionary war. This appears to be the same Jacob as in the above immigration record, and looks to be a different individual from our Jacob.
Conflict #3, birth/baptism and parents of John Jacob Mingus: The next conflict I found, also on Ancestry.com, is in the Pennsylvania, Church Records - Adams, Berks, and Lancaster Counties, 1729-1881 index. A baptism record is given for "Johann Jacob Menges", son of Conrad and Catharina Menges, born 12 Aug 1776 and baptised 20 Sep 1776, Berks Co., PA. If we assume that he gave the correct birth place in his War of 1812 enlistment, then this record would appear to be him (but see Conflict #1). The main conflict is in the name of his mother, Catharina. It is possible that Catharina and Mary Boovy are the same person, but this is a definite question to be resolved. At this time I'm inclined to believe Mary and Catharina are different people.
Conflict #4, Conrad Mingus's children: In Ancestry's North Carolina, Wills and Probate Records, 1665-1998, there are images for the probate record of Conrad Minges, dated 1809. The will mentions wife Mary and 3 children Mary, Elisabeth and Conrad. It also mentions another "daughter" Mary Sigman separately from the other 3 children. [I suspect that Mary Sigman could be a daughter-in-law, wife of Conrad his son; see Ancestry's North Carolina, Index to Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868, record for Conrad Mingus and Maria Sigman dated 17 May 1796.] No mention is made of John Jacob Mingus in Conrad's will. Why is this? Could there be two Conrads who lived in the area that are being confused? Note this Conrad's will was written and probated in Lincoln County, NC.
Note that I have never found any record to substantiate a marriage between Conrad Mingus and Mary Boovy. Who is she/where did she come from?
And finally, just food for thought. Ancestry's U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s has an entry for Johann Conrad Menges, who apparently arrived 1757 in Pennsylvania. The original source for this is not given precisely, only that it is "From a transcript at the Germantown Historical Society. Information abstracted from five principal German newspapers published in Germantown and Philadelphia, 1743-1800: Pennsylvanische Geschicht-Schreiber (later Pennsylvanische Berichte), Staatsbote, Phi". We would need to track down the source to see what else it may have to say about this Conrad (who he traveled with, where the newspaper may have gotten its information, etc.)2
Outline of Life Events:
|Birth||Conrad Menges was born before 1754.1|
|Marriage||He married Mary Boovy.1|
|Death||Conrad Menges died in Jul 1809.1|
- [S348] Mingus Family Line. Website. Online http://rickmingus.com/mingus.htm
- [S1431] Ancestry.com. U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914. NARA Microfilm Publication M233, 81 rolls. National Archives, Washington DC.